CHEYENNE, Wyo. (AP) - The Northern Arapaho Tribe is pushing to join a tribal member's federal challenge of his state court murder conviction in the 2004 beating death of his daughter.
The tribe late last month asked a federal appeals court in Denver for permission to file a brief supporting Andrew Yellowbear Jr.'s appeal. The Wyoming attorney general's office opposes the
tribe's request.
Yellowbear is now serving a life sentence in state prison. He argues that Wyoming lacked jurisdiction to prosecute him in the death of his daughter -- 22-month-old Marcela Hope Yellowbear. The toddler suffered her injuries in Riverton, which he says is "Indian Country." He maintains that any prosecution of him should occur in tribal or federal court.
The child’s mother Macalia Blackburn pleaded guilty in state court to being an accessory to second-degree murder and was sentenced to 60 years in prison.
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January 13, 2010
11:05 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Someone please refresh my memory, did this take place in Riverton city limits or out on the rez?
January 13, 2010
11:06 a.m.Report inappropriate content
More bad legal advice. Thanks AB&C, how rich have we made you? Thinking about the Tribe paying for this makes me sick!!! WRONG WRONG WRONG. This shows the competence of the Northern Arapaho legal team in Indian Law and the leaders who endorse it.
January 13, 2010
11:13 a.m.Report inappropriate content
http://www.rivertonradio.com/news/2008/o...
My how things change in just over a year. Looks like a sign of desperation to me.
January 13, 2010
11:29 a.m.Report inappropriate content
I am trying to find where this article was printed by Cheyenne AP. From my info the ABC is not supporting him as they should not!!!! This happened in Riverton and the courts should have jurisdiction of the case.
This is a bad example of an arapaho member! We do not condone harm to our children......a few give us a bad name!
He should be banished from the Tribe like in the old days!!! period!!
January 13, 2010
11:50 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Edit: add additional info ^^^^
The riverton Court should have jurisdiction over him, as it happened in Riverton.
January 13, 2010
12:19 p.m.Report inappropriate content
I do not think that the NABC should support this mans appeals.
The question of Riverton as Indian Country is a whole other argument. Of course Wyoming courts are biased.
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January 13, 2010
12:54 p.m.Report inappropriate content
It speaks to the question of the status of Riverton but it doesn't answer the question. The question can only be answered by the US Supreme Court.
It lays out the argument for the tribes, but the courts have the final say. And what has every court up to now said?
January 13, 2010
1:04 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Dude killed his daughter, he should be killed, not hard to figure out, now's it's going to become a political battle over "Indian Rights" instead of justice for his actions.
Tribal members have been subjected to political idiots in the tribes for far too long, when will they start to give a damn and stand up for what's right? Now with the casino's taking off this is only going to get worse, greed never dies.....
January 13, 2010
1:39 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Sure, the post a year ago was before they had banked another million from the casino. Now they can afford to stick their nose into this. Surprised?
January 13, 2010
1:52 p.m.Report inappropriate content
With all due respect to ur comment about the income of the tribe with the casino, the tribe is not thriving on proceeds.
Most of this money gets burned up by the loan to build it and all the positions utilized to run it. No member has recieved any pay from the casino, unless of course folks are stealing and filling the pockets of a very few.
I used to believe this casino would be a blessing to our people, but in fact it is nothing but a burden to the poverty we have already.
Like the op said greed is blocking any good that could come from having a casino, and of course the un-educated people controlling how the money is spent.
January 13, 2010
1:56 p.m.Report inappropriate content
The mere fact that they are building 2 maybe 3 more casino's around Riverton should tell you they are making one heck of a profit. If the loans to build any one of these casino's was sucking up all the profits they wouldn't be hell bent for leather to build more and more. Just because the poor people residing on the res don't see this money doesn't mean its not there.
January 13, 2010
2:04 p.m.Report inappropriate content
this time i do not support the abc and this decision..at all...i support the concept of challenging the jurisdiction...but not helping this murderer. in the end if the tribe prevails it will not free yellowbear...he will just be tried in federal court and still found guilty for his heinious crime
but the tribe coulda simply challendged any case if they wanted to go to court on this
bad bad bad
January 13, 2010
2:07 p.m.Report inappropriate content
please tell me then why does the tribe want to spend so much time and money on this then? Not to mention all the horrible publicity they will get from it. If they weren't trying to help him in SOME way why wouldn't they just let him rot?
January 13, 2010
2:09 p.m.Report inappropriate content
bad legal advise + clueless council = bad decision
January 13, 2010
2:12 p.m.Report inappropriate content
remember this isnt challenging the outcome of yellowbears case..only the court it should have been tried in
i believe he would be guilty in any court..and stil would do life in a federal pen
still though a ugly mark, and one im already hearing a huge distaste for on the rez by tribal people
just the wrong case to be involved in
January 13, 2010
2:18 p.m.Report inappropriate content
This is bad news for the Arapaho Tribe. But I also see this issue as something that does need to be addressed. BUT NOT in this way..nor do I agree with the Tribe deciding to back Yellowbear! BAD MOVE FOR THE TRIBE! Not in a political way, BUT in the TRADITIONAL VIEW POINT for any Arapaho! To let you veiwers know a bit of Arapaho customs on what is now becoming a forgotten practice and law of Arapaho tradition... "Any Arapaho who kills, murders, ect. to another Arapaho is looked upon in the tribe as one who can not pracipate in- or be entitled to - ceremony, or tribal rights. They become outcasts, and if so, bannashed from the tribe! If the Arapaho were still intact as a fully TRADITIOANL TRIBE,, these KNOT HEAD COUNCILMEN would not be backing Yellowbear because of his crime to the PEOPLE!
January 13, 2010
2:25 p.m.Report inappropriate content
The status of Riverton is worth alot of money. Some say it will stop at getting natives tax exemption on all Riverton purchases, but I believe there is much more at stake. Having to retry every court case that involved a native and was tried in anything other than tribal or federal court is just one example. It doesn't really matter that the outcome will be most likely be the same. And who gets to pay for that? Every taxpayer on and off the rez. And who gets the biggest piece of that pie? The lawyers.
January 13, 2010
2:27 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Its good to see so many united on this issue. Now we just need to pick up the phone and tell the council. Make your voices heard.
January 13, 2010
2:31 p.m.Report inappropriate content
So let me get this straight. The tribe doesn't want to help him, they just want to flex their muscles? Are they saying that when a native american commits a crime, no matter where they are when they do it, they can only be tried buy a court of their choosing? And they want to make that point so clear to everyone they are dumping a load of cash into proving it with a man that tortured and killed his own daughter? Someone has some really messed up priorities...
January 13, 2010
2:35 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Say I want to cruise out to the res and do 90 all the way from Riverton to Lander. When a Bia officer pulls me over and want to write me a ticket may I request that a Sheriff employed by the city of Riverton be called out to write me that ticket?
January 13, 2010
2:45 p.m.Report inappropriate content
A non-indian certainly has that right. But you would be better off accepting the ticket from the BIA officer. Its going to be cheaper, it won't get reported in the newspapers, and it won't affect your insurance.
January 13, 2010
2:46 p.m.Report inappropriate content
It stays on the rez....(lol)
January 13, 2010
2:53 p.m.Report inappropriate content
lol didn't think about it like that. DRAG RACES!
January 13, 2010
3:41 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Would someone "PLEASE" tell Andrew Yellowbear Jr. that the Arapahoes don't want him around and the "non indian land" Riverton Wyoming is not interested in his complaining either.
22-month-old Marcela Hope Yellowbears' only crime was being a baby and trying to be loved while growing up. Till her psycho father made several bad decisions that he now doesn't want to "own-up-to" now.
Also, tell Andrew Yellowbear Jr, he's fortunate to be indian just ask "death row inmate" Dale Eaton.
January 13, 2010
3:45 p.m.Report inappropriate content
What a waste of money the Arapaho Tribal Council is throwing at in attempt to to claim tax exemption in Riverton. As I have said before, I live in Riverton, I am an enrolled member, but I do not care if the tribe wins this case or not. I agree with Hii3oobee and rezrider wholeheartedly the ABC should stay out of this.
There is a lady on the agenda in Saturday's general council. She is going to talk about ABC conduct, and I hope she voices this because the General Council should hear it. It is General Council who should decide if the Arapaho Tribe should defend Yellowbear.
All around unwise decision. I don't like it either.
January 13, 2010
3:51 p.m.Report inappropriate content
wiewwer - we could go to the GC and complain if they try to spend more money on this crap. These other guys are right, bad advice and GC not thinking
this is wrong and the ABC need stop wasting money
January 13, 2010
4:44 p.m.Report inappropriate content
first, I am white, so quit your racial crap, second, riverton is within the boundaries of the rez, so it should be either classified as rez or change the borders, Wyoming is within the boundaries of the United States and the feds can still tell you what to do and who to pay to do it, so the Tribes should also have this benefit. These are NOT foreigners, they are AMERICANS and should be given the same rights as all of us. But now in this day and age, everything is about race and money, greed will kill us all!!! as for Mr. Yellowbear, well I know there are a few prisoners down in Rawlins who have'nt gotten to see they're kids and knowing that he has killed his, is a death sentence, so no matter who or where he is tried he WILL get his. Now stay polite and really think about what you are saying on here, and there needs to be a revolution to make EVERYONE equal, we ALL need to pay taxes, and we all should be given "free" money, but don't be a hater just cuz you think you're special....
January 13, 2010
6:02 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Godlike:
What?
Poor prisoners...? Don't get to see their kids...? They probably should have thought about that before they did whatever they did to get thown in prison. I don't feel sorry for them. I would be surprised if Yellowbear had any remorse (other that getting caught) about killing his daughter. Your comments about Yellowbear are an insult to her memory. Your comments about the status of Riverton shows a complete lack of understanding of the issue and the people involved.
Racial crap...? This is 10 times more civilized than I expected when I first saw the headline. Most of the comments are from natives and I don't think I saw one that supported the decision of the Arapaho council to pursue the legal status of Riverton through Yellowbear's murder case.
Here's 20 dollars. Run over to Walmart and see if you can find a clue on sale.
January 13, 2010
9:02 p.m.Report inappropriate content
I cant wait to see the comments after reading the news headlines in (deleted by management). To say that the Northern Arapaho tribe wants to partner with the child killer is obviously a political move.
In no way does the arapaho want anything to do with this scum. Everyone I talk to on the moccasin trail despises Mr. Yellow bear.
Our General council is a private meeting for Arapaho people but I feel it's safe to say at the last meeting NOONE wanted anything to do with the Yellowbear case when it was brought up.
The thing that really bothers me is this poor excuse for a man still recieves percap from the Tribe.
This is why we need to bring back the BANISHMENT!!!!!!
Anyone who kills a child should without question be on the list. I also read in the paper tonight of yet another child death ruled a homocide. This little baby was also Arapaho. This is more than enough reason to adopt banishment again.
Every time we turn around these people are giving our people a bad name. When will we stand up and say enough......our ancestors are crying, and telling us to fight for our children!!!!!
January 13, 2010
9:40 p.m.Report inappropriate content
rezrider
Good post, couldn't have said that better myself.
I'm arapahoe and have been telling other arapahoes how embarrassed I am of some of these low-life child-killers.
Encore to your post
January 13, 2010
11:55 p.m.Report inappropriate content
I'm saddened about this whole process. Why would our elected officials take this bad advise without them thinking of the consequenses politically. This is political suicide for them.
I voted for a couple people on the council now but sure won't this next time. It just shows us Arapaho people who makes the decisions for our tribe. I will be at the next GC and vote to clean house on our council and lawyers. Then maybe our tribal members who need help will get it.
Did anyone hear about the feds shutting down our diabetes program for mismanagement also? We are all in the dark.
We should not defend Yellowbear.
January 14, 2010
9:26 a.m.Report inappropriate content
viewwer this is not right. You have said many times that our ABC is our of order and now our GC is out of order. You can not defend yellowbelly action killing his own kid then using indian name as axcuse.
Yellowbelly will bring shame to us and GC and abc needs to be replaced. I read the paper in town last night brought it home to let others read it. Ether the paper is wrong or our councils are a disgrase to the people.
I am also confused as I thought this was for indian tax exemption law suit not helping murders go free to kill some more. Maybe $300,000 more to be spent on lawyers again?
January 14, 2010
10 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Thanks viewwer for your words.
As we know GC is the way to get these changes made.
Tell all your relatives to go to general council.
I am glad to see posts from our tribal members on here.
If our council does not address this, we can as a people.
January 14, 2010
10:44 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Happened right here in Riverton City limits!!! He did the crime now it is his turn to do the time! Which I feel is far less than what he deserves compared to what he did to that baby.
January 14, 2010
10:58 a.m.Report inappropriate content
The only reason I could see that Yellowbear would want a different Jurisdiction, is to get a lesser sentence.
It's a coward's approach to get off killing your own child.
January 14, 2010
11:13 a.m.Report inappropriate content
I hope every one that can vote shows up for GC. I've been to the last few meetings and I'll tell you what. My family and I thought it was a "kiss highknee" feast. Disgusting! The ABC needs to be reminded of arapaho LAW. They would not be their if it werent for us NA members that vote. I used to back these men and lady......but now, the things that they continue to skrew up. The bad decisions, the womenizing, the tribe laying off tribal workers-who have families to support, financial mismanagement, especially in the TANF program, (why aren't there any indictments?)Even the tribal administrator, he recently had a DUI. GAWD! shake my head in SHAME! Then this.....why this? Why this ugly godforesaken political move to get tax exempt? I dont want to be tax exempt now. Im too proud to get it this way! How shameful!
January 14, 2010
12:20 p.m.Report inappropriate content
sofaspud and unreal: please refrain from stupidity ...it would be best for all
for one...if your going 90 across the rez...a rez cop can stop you..BUT HAS NO JURISDICTION AT ALL TO TICKET YOU, FINE YOU, JAIL YOU...THEY HAVE TO CALL THE HIGHWAY PATROL COUNTY ....IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING CHEAPER, OR NOT IN THE PAPER..IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH BEING FEDERAL LAW..THE TRIBES HAVE NO CRIMMINAL JURISDICTION OVER NON INDIAN ON THE REZ...JUST AS INFEDERAL LAW THE STATE OR COUNTY HAS NO CRIMMINAL JURISDICTION OVER INDIANS IN INDIAN COUNTRY
CARRY ON
January 14, 2010
12:43 p.m.Report inappropriate content
ALSO PEOPLE...I DO NOT SUPPORT THE TRIBE TAKING PART IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE....but i am smart enough to consider a few things
1. yellowbear IS fighting that case whether the state or feds had JURISDICTION
2. the tribe isnt trying to free him..yellowbear will never go free...they are agreeing that his case should have been tried in federal court...not state..YELLOWBEAR IS A BABY KILLER NO MATTER WHAT COURT HE'S TRIED IN..and will spend the rest of his miserable life in federal prison if tried there
3. we dont know whats behind the scenes..we do know the abc fought Ybs attorneys from being a part of the tax case..they didnt want to be involved with him...BUT WE DONT KNOW IF THE YB CASE HAS PROGRESSED AND WILL BE HEARD IN A HIGHER COURT...AND THE TRIBE DOESNT WANT THE JURISDICTION OF THE PEOPLE BEING FINALY DECIDED IN A HIGHER COURT WITHOUT THEIR INPUT. like maybe they dont want the YB case to be the case that decides the tribes jurisdictional sovereignty...and they had no say, so whether they want to or not..yellowbear is forcing the decision??
4. the last GC yellowbear had a item to forced the tribe to release any information, files, that would help him..the people didnt want to hear it and refused to hear it..his own family asked it to be tabled
again i dont like it either
January 14, 2010
1:10 p.m.Report inappropriate content
so more money can be wasted on him, more of court time, and people have to relive the court room again, the photos again, the story again. he needs to man up to what he did. let her have some peace, at least give her that much!
January 14, 2010
2:21 p.m.Report inappropriate content
hii3oobee I fully understand what you are saying. If Yellowbear was banished he would no longer have tribal rights like the rest of the Arapaho people. If the tribe could legally release YB from our jurisdiction through an adopted law or resolution, this could possibly free US from him interfering in the tax suit.
He also if tried in a federal court would qualify for his remaining life to be spent in Federal prison, which is notoriously known for better standards of living.
This is nothing more than a lawyer trying to make a name for his self through a highly publicized case. He should be put in the Hot seat....He is the one Helping a baby Killer!!!!!!
Where the ABC is creating the issue is listening to the lawyers without doing their own research. The Tribal attorneys don’t always know the "best" way to handle an issue. Its all politics my friend!
There is no possible way to go back and resolve every Native that was ever convicted in the county, city, and district courts. His case has been tried. If his successfully appealed then this opens the doors for any tribal member that was tried in a different court other than Tribal or federal.
January 14, 2010
4:08 p.m.Report inappropriate content
thanks for the twenty bucks sofaspud, but instead of going to walmart, I think I'll go see your mom, I hear she does wonders for twenty bucks..
January 14, 2010
5:18 p.m.Report inappropriate content
rezrider: i know what your saying...but what im saying is
the yellowbear jurisdiction case may be up for a hearing in higher court. although we may not want to be a part of it..we dont want the yellowbear case to be the deciding case and we just sit back and let it be tried with the tribe not involved...so they may be thinking they have no choice but to get involved
i wish we could banish people..there alot of these wanna be gang bangers id banish tommorro if we could
January 14, 2010
6:01 p.m.Report inappropriate content
hii3oobee:
I hear ya and I understand the point you make.
January 14, 2010
6:43 p.m.Report inappropriate content
like most of the opinions here I also think that this guy should do life for his crime,and I think that if he got a new trial in tribal court he would be given the same sentense or worse so I don't think that it really matters where he is tried.now with that said do you think that maybe the council might be thinking that they don't get to choose their battles if they are going to pursue this suit against the state or city for the rights to riverton?
I don't know??? I'm just saying....
January 14, 2010
8:09 p.m.Report inappropriate content
All good comments my fellow arapaho people.
It all points to the lawyers leading our council around. The last I knew they did not live on the rez and it makes no difference to them how much it costs the tribes to keep us in lawsuits.
But the council has the RIGHT to ask questions and not agree with everything they are told. I have seen our attorneys in the grocery store and they do not even acknowledge us tribal people off the rez. But they smile and shake our hand when they pick up thier paycheck.
The whole state is laughing at the Arapaho Tribe on whats going on. We are a proud strong people. Sovereignty means making up our own minds and not have our lawyers do it for us.
I am mad. Mad that we have so many problems with drugs and alcohol. Mad that many people who go to our tribal office for assistance are turned away because we are told we have no money. Mad because all our money is being wasted on attorneys and consultants and agreements with Riverton who we are suppose to be in court with.
I'm sad we can't come together and make this a good safe place for our elders and children. As a proud people and not by following the whims of non tribal people who make all our decisions.
I am 66 years old and seen many changes on our rez but this is by far the lowest our tribe has sunk. What would our ancestors think. Pray for us.
Ha Ho
January 14, 2010
9:09 p.m.Report inappropriate content
warrior66
I'm getting sick and tired of this Yellowbelly trying to get off. He makes the tribe look bad with his actions as it is all so confusing.
It looks like the ABC and GC are trying to help yellowbelly but, in turn we can't get answers on what they are doing. Very good posts here ...
I just hope these posts are close to accurate?
Ndngurlz - I also agree, forget the tax exemption, this is a mess
I'm just wondering how much more money the ABC is going to waste with the compliments of the GC? Perhaps, another $400,000.00 this time around?
We lose, law firm wins again?
January 14, 2010
9:55 p.m.Report inappropriate content
The only good thing that may come from this is the unaccountability of our elected leaders and the greed of our lawyers being exposed.
January 14, 2010
10:11 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Looks like this issue united folks....a REAL tea-party is a brewing, real indians this time too!
Disclaimer:(Rivradio-this is NOT a racial comment, it is a joke, reffering to the recent atmosphere in America with folks being upset with the governing body, calling themselves "the tea-party" refering to an uprising in Boston many years ago where rumor has it folks dressed as native americans and threw tea off of supply boats in Boston harbor.)
January 14, 2010
10:24 p.m.Report inappropriate content
P.S. Riv Radio, I can't question the Gov. for making a statement about limiting Constitutional rights or I get the whole comment section removed, but you allow posters to joke about prostituting another poster's mother and allow hii3oobee to constantly use caps which is yelling and should fall under your "civility" and polite clause in your rules?
I've read the rules numerous times, and try to make sure my posts don't cross the lines...only to be continuously removed while others seem to be getting away with breaking every rule with no penalties.
January 14, 2010
11:44 p.m.Report inappropriate content
ya viewer this is not right. spending money while yellowbear plays politics and the ABC and gc is not thinking.
maybe a bunch of us should go to the meeting and rase hell with them. Or may be get a new council if they dont hear us.
warrior66 ya, the ABC doesn't tell us or ask us if its ok or anything. they spend and not have have to build things we need on the rez
January 15, 2010
9:04 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Arap
rezrider might have it right or is on to something here with banishment. Perhaps we should make banishment legal with us banish yellowbear for the record.
Then, turn right around and keep it for an option for future needs for murderers and baby killers. Those are undesirables that the tribe should not burden itself with.
I might come to the meeting if I think it will help?
I also agree with beieisoo, we have to stop wasting money and time with this yellowbelly, low-life. If we banish yellowbelly then councils can start building that new center south of Riverton.
January 15, 2010
11:41 a.m.Report inappropriate content
banishment sounds good for people like YB..but keep in mind the day we as a people start deciding who can be taken off regardless of blood degree..is the day we start to crumble even further.
maybe the council or whomever decides doesnt like viewwer...so they decide oh well he's always condemming us, does no good, isnt a part of the ceromonies or traditional life...lets banish him from the tribe
the federal government isnt going to interceed and back you...they wont fight for your enrollment..its a tribes right to decide whos enrolled and whos not...you would be SOL
its a nice thought, to keep only members who please us in the tribe, but its a slippery slope if we start banishing people.....exile yeah..lets exile all these crimminals from the rez...i'll vote yes in a heartbeat
January 15, 2010
12:37 p.m.Report inappropriate content
hii3oobee
Here is where I respectfully disagree. It shouldn’t matter what blood degree u are. When tribes used banishment back in the old times...most everyone was near full blood.
Banishment should only be used for Hanus crimes like murder, killing an innocent child, and the such. It should only be used in a case where there was murder by choice.
The slippery slope in my humble opinion would be death by DUI and accidental death. This is where "standing trial" would come into play. It would have to be used only in cases where a choice is made to kill another person.
Even if someone feels justified in killing another person, they should be willing to face the consequences.
We should never use our "race" or degree of blood to set ourself above the laws of our creator. As it stands right now a Native american cannot be setenced to death for ANY crime.
Our people over the years have not been held resposible for our actions. It is time for our people to draw the line somewhere. This is why we have all heard people say..."If you want to get away with Murder, move to The Wind River reservation".
This is my opinion anyway, feel free to hold your own....
God Bless.....
January 15, 2010
12:42 p.m.Report inappropriate content
hii3oobee
You make some Very, Very good points here though!
It would have to be done very carefully and with provisions to protect someone in your examples.
I do not have all the answers, but with discussions and wise people as yourself looking at it from all points, it could be done fairly.
January 15, 2010
12:51 p.m.Report inappropriate content
warrior66
Much respect to u as one of our elders. You should be able to live a decent life out here. We seem to have lost ALL our respect for our old people and our children. The youth dont even act like Indians any more. We were never thugs, we did fight but we fought for a cause not because we were gangsters.
Now the ultimate plan from the global elite is working.....We fight ourselves.
Its modern day Eugenics!!!!
January 15, 2010
1:56 p.m.Report inappropriate content
rezrider
Thank you as hii3oobee finds me an "offensive indian" because I speak my mind when things are not right. I won't be a "yes indian" to hii3oobee or the councils.
Banishment is a penalty that only the worse are to receive and not threaten others (like hii3oobee) made mention of earlier. Thats the kind of horse c##p that divides younger natives from old natives.
But, I don't expect the seemingly "strife seeking" natives (that enjoy and gloat over law suits) [as $400,00.00 keeps going out the door] "thinking people" to understand something like that, either.
January 15, 2010
2:53 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Who cares where this happend, the point is that this dirt bag is a low life baby killer, this animal needs to fry!
January 15, 2010
6:07 p.m.Report inappropriate content
viewwer : no need to get your panties in a bunch...never said you was an offensive indian..i simply used your ID as an example..when we start banishing members we dont like or agree with...there is no bottom and its a long slippery slope...dont believe me..check the tribes in cali..their disenrolling by the hundreds
rezrider: you know years ago before the blood degree was adopted..the people in general council voted on who should or shouldnt be recognized as a official member of the tribe...i seen old transcripts where they would talk about such and such person...whether they were good, whether they lived in our traditional way, participated in our ceromonies ect..
people could speak out against a person being allowed into the oficial membership...by saying this person lives off the rez...doesnt participate in the day to day life of the people...doesnt help one another, wont share...things like that
after that the tribes adopted the bias 1/4 blood degree and so any one who met the quota was enrolled
i do know membership is in the hands of the tribe...
as for the death penelty...wrong indians can, are and have been sentenced to death....the tribal leaders have to agree to the maximum sentence or that the death penelty can be sought...charles aragon was enrolled shoshone and was excecuted in 1933 by the state of wyoming...after that the tribes agreed that they would no longer allow the death penelty and life was the maximum sentence for enrolled members..indians can be excecuted..the tribes just have to waive the sovereignty in a case
i would have preferred them to waive yellowbears right not to be excecuted and allow the death penelty
the federal death penelty was only recently re-legalized itself
i agree that if your not gonna be a benificial member of our tribe then you shouldnt be a member at all...
i believe that enrollment should be more then just blood...being arapaho isnt just 1/4 minimum blood...its living in our traditional ways, its following our unwritten laws, its particiapating in our traditions and ceremonies, its our language..thats what makes you arapaho..not the BIAs blood degree...
i know people who are 1/4 arapaho and are more indian then people who are full blood, because they're at sundance and other ceremonies...they practice our religion...all year, every week, not just once a year, they strive to learn the language and respect the old ways..they live here and are a part of the tribe...not just a person whos only claim to being arapaho is a 100 dollar check
January 17, 2010
10:34 a.m.Report inappropriate content
viewwer, I also thought hii3... was pointing to you. but, I see his point from a legal side, we should make all murderers and baby killers leave.
Murder anyone white or indian and you are banished and rot in prison. Murder a indian baby and get castrated and rot in rawlins. I get real mad with indians that embarace the rest of us in front of whites.
We as people know right from wrong.
January 18, 2010
12:30 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Arap
Thanks, it sure seemed that way with me also.
Well, since we're a sovereign nation?
Banishment is a matter of indian tribal civil rights to keep ourselves safe. With or without drug dealers, gangs, rapists, murderers and baby killers, just to name a few.
Yellowbelly is just forcing the issue and our councils have to file an appeal that Yellowbelly might screw up their plans.
I know our Councils want to keep us from paying taxes in Riverton but, this is a bizarre in the way they are handling this. The people of Riverton might feel that they are the intended target of an "Arapahoe Take Over" (in which it sure sounds that way) in which the the tribes couldn't do that "even if they wanted to" ever.
I'm tired of suing the three governments involved.
County, State and Federal Government.
The last dismissal should have told Spoonhunter and the ABC to build an agreement or new treaty. Outlining any and all "WRIR Lands" north of the Big Wind can not be taxed ... then make a list of the lands in question.
The way they are doing everything is too "generic" and the feds will eat their lunch as unprepared as we are. While we see another $400,000.00 go down the drain with more Lawyers' fees.
They get richer, we get poorer and our peoples' needs are still not met
January 18, 2010
9:11 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Well said Arap.
I read earlier about our Arapaho people not being taxed if they win with this case. The flip side of this issue is we hop on this murder case to get it. Not good.
Our people have probably already paid our attorneys more than we would have saved in taxes for 20 years. And we still pay them.
I called last week to talk to one of our council and they were not available. I stopped by the office and was told they were in Joint Council meetings. I think they are hiding. I wanted to ask how much money we have paid our attorneys for the last ten years.
I have worked my whole life and never asked our council for anything. But I am frustrated by the conditions our tribe lives in. Nothing for our kids. Elders denied services. Corruption and greed governs. Council and attorneys are to blame for this.
I hope our people pray for guidance to address this giant problem we have and make change before its too late. Us Arapaho people may have nothing left for our children if we continue to allow this. We will all be wondering what happened while all of our money is in the attorneys bank account. They will be secure and walk away after they drain us.
Lets make change in a good way. The right way.
Ha Ho
January 19, 2010
9:18 a.m.Report inappropriate content
hii3oobee:
Thanks for calling me stupid above. That's always a good way to make an argument.
This is an excerpt from a Supreme Court decision.
"[a tribe may] exercise civil authority over the conduct of non-Indians on fee lands within its reservation when that conduct threatens or has some direct effect on the political integrity, the economic security, or the health or welfare of the tribe.”
I would say speeding falls under that category. And I know non-indians who have received speeding tickets from BIA police officers. I know non-indians who have declined the speeding ticket from the BIA officer and waited for a highway patrolman. I know non-indians who have accepted the BIA speeding ticket knowing it wouldn't end up in the paper or go against their insurance.
Also notice I said all of that without shouting (what you would call "getting my panties in a bunch") and I did it without call you names.
Back to the original topic. You make a good point about the tribe being forced into this by the Yellowbelly case. Yellowbellies attorneys probably aren't equipped to handle a jurisdiction case of this magnitude and if I were the tribes I wouldn't want the last word on the matter to come from inept attorneys. Having said that I think its a last ditch effort that will ultimately fail with the only ones coming out on top being the attorneys. Very bad PR for the tribe.
January 19, 2010
10:04 a.m.Report inappropriate content
warrior66, thank you, we have a mess on our hands. We are spending to much money on law suits that do nowhere.
sofaspud, hill3... does make rude remarks with good points. Viewwer makes excellent points but, ABC does what they want.
January 19, 2010
11:51 a.m.Report inappropriate content
sofaspud: i didnt even think i was responding to you...no i told viewwer to not get his panties ina bunch over misunderstanding me...and the rest of that post was directed at rezrider
sorry you wernt involved...i can make a post about you if you wish
January 19, 2010
12:12 p.m.Report inappropriate content
I know it was awhile back so I'll refresh your memory.
"January 14, 2010
12:20 p.m.
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hii3oobee (Anonymous) says...
sofaspud and unreal: please refrain from stupidity ...it would be best for all
for one...if your going 90 across the rez...a rez cop can stop you..BUT HAS NO JURISDICTION AT ALL TO TICKET YOU, FINE YOU, JAIL YOU...THEY HAVE TO CALL THE HIGHWAY PATROL COUNTY ....IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING CHEAPER, OR NOT IN THE PAPER..IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH BEING FEDERAL LAW..THE TRIBES HAVE NO CRIMMINAL JURISDICTION OVER NON INDIAN ON THE REZ...JUST AS INFEDERAL LAW THE STATE OR COUNTY HAS NO CRIMMINAL JURISDICTION OVER INDIANS IN INDIAN COUNTRY
CARRY ON"
unbunch....unbunch.....
January 19, 2010
4:50 p.m.Report inappropriate content
i didnt call you stupid...i said refrain from the stupidity...big differance..if you dont know that...maybe you are
as it was your post was stupidity at its finest...never said you were
January 19, 2010
4:59 p.m.Report inappropriate content
Again...calling names usually proves the other guys point. Care to respond to the point....?
January 19, 2010
5:27 p.m.Report inappropriate content
sofa spud...calling names would be if i said...sofaspud is a stupid jerk.,,that would be calling you a name...i didnt...im calling your post stupid..get over it...it was stupid...and i showed why
January 20, 2010
9:43 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Nice....so are you ever wrong?
January 20, 2010
11:18 a.m.Report inappropriate content
sofaspud
Meet hii3... he has answer for everything.
When you question his wording - then you are mistaking his words. Just ask him.... ha ha lmao
January 20, 2010
12:51 p.m.Report inappropriate content
sofa........calling you stupid and saying please refrain from the stupidity when referring to a post..is two undeniable differant things...like it or not...if you cant understand that..or just dont like getting corrected by a native...i cant help you....as it was your post where i said refrain from the stupidity ...was stupid...totaly untrue, no factual basis...deal with it..or move on
this is your post: A non-indian certainly has that right. But you would be better off accepting the ticket from the BIA officer. Its going to be cheaper, it won't get reported in the newspapers, and it won't affect your insurance
it stays on the rez
the tribes and BIA have only civil jurisdiction over non indians on ttribal land...not crimminal...you dont have the option of just taking the tribal ticket cause its cheaper...and wont effect your insurance..the tribal cops may hold you on sight but have to call a county or state official to ticket you
and as such...your post was stupid...never said you were
January 21, 2010
9:14 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Ask a bia officer if you want....I did. A non indian can accept and pay a speeding ticket given by a bia officer in tribal court. I know non-indians who have done it. It is cheaper, it won't affect your insurance, and it won't go in the paper.
I know what the code is and I know what the jurisdiction of the tribe is over non-indians. It still doesn't change the fact that it can happen.
I know...another stupid post.
January 28, 2010
11:12 a.m.Report inappropriate content
It happened in the apartments behind Dairy Queen on Forest Drive. He killed his own daughter very cruely it won't matter where he is tried he will still have to face the punishment for his cruel, morbid crimes. Would just be a bigger waste of tax payer dollars.
January 28, 2010
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gysymom: the federal government has legalized the death penelty..and if tried in a federal court prosecuters could have the right to seek it as i dont believe they have to have the tribes consent to seek the death penelty since he is under the federal umbrella as a indian, under federal jurisdiction
i may look into that for sure though
January 28, 2010
1:26 p.m.Report inappropriate content
I do think that they have to get consent to give a tribal member the death penality not sure but I think they do.(I think it was in the paper that I had seen that.) For what he did I personally think he deserves it, he never asked his poor daughter or the tribe before he brutally abused and murdered his daughter so why should he get any better treatment. So if he was tried in federal and given the death penalty it would be better punishment than he is getting now to live the rest of his life in prison. I just don't understand how someone could do a thing like that to a poor innocent child, it made me cry when I heard about it.
January 28, 2010
2:15 p.m.Report inappropriate content
gypsymomma
Its called tribal justice
Unless a crime takes place in Riverton?
You never hear about it.
But, now you see one member of our tribe using a "racial stance" on his conviction. Our tribe since Yellowbear's sentencing has yet to set up any family services on its own.
But, think nothing of suing Fremont County, Wyoming and now the Feds and the Shoshones to keep from paying sales tax among other "non-tribal land or reservation" lands.
They claim "indian country" as if Riverton lands that pose sales taxes are on Indian lands at Wal Mart or, Kmart just to name a couple.
Meantime, Yellowbelly wants to use this "costly and expensive" law suit for his benefit as well. I know these are my people but, "right is right and wrong is wrong" --- and, in this case here. We have already paid $400,000.00 to have one law suit dismissed already.
I'd imagine this next one will be just as expensive with the same results. Meantime, our people are not being helped.
January 28, 2010
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gypsyymom: yes to be tried in state court a enrolled indian cannot be sentenced to death unless the two tribes...not just the arapaho allow it. personaly i thinkin that circumstance they should have waived it and allowed him to be killed
but under a federal case i dont think the tribe has a say if he can be put to death..i could be wrong though
January 28, 2010
6:04 p.m.Report inappropriate content
theres ol viewer the indian hater...hating on the indians again...doesnt agree with anything we ever do...but has no problem cashing his 100 dollar check..ennit once a month indian
as for social services...i guess you missed the part where the tribes were paying for the program when they wouldnt sign the soverereingty waiver from the gov..from our casino..and i believe we stil put money into the Social services
in your ongoing hate of the tribe..you dont have to be a richard constantly do you bee'ice' ee?
January 31, 2010
11:26 a.m.Report inappropriate content
WHY IN THE HECK WOULD U WANT TO HELP A BABY KILLER LET HIM ROT IN PRISON AN KEEP HIM OFF THE NEW AND OUT OF THE PAPERS. NOBODYY WANTS TO HERE ABOUT THIS WORTLESS WAIST OF AIR
February 1, 2010
9:46 a.m.Report inappropriate content
hii3oobee
Unlike you, I hate practicing wrong ways.
Ya'ta'hee bee'ice' ee
Our tribal councils are screwed up and, you are in denial.
February 1, 2010
1:37 p.m.Report inappropriate content
yatahee vieewer?? i thought we got over trying to pass navajo words off as arapaho a long time ago
do you even know what bee'ice ee means ?...no you dont do you, once a month indian
ha what ever blondie
February 2, 2010
9:10 a.m.Report inappropriate content
Ya'ta'hee bee'ice' ee
February 2, 2010
12:38 p.m.Report inappropriate content
LMAO!!!!!!! yatahee LOL!!!
February 2, 2010
9:36 p.m.Report inappropriate content
What makes things worse is when our cerimonial men are praying and supporting a child molester. Mr Moss from Social Services made a statement of support as well....are you serious? Head of social services supports a child molester.......oh where are the Warriors of the Arapaho people. Where is the protection of our children?
What next? I am afraid to find the reality of that question!!! These victims and children have to read our Tribal leaders praying for his return, which loudly says:
Its ok to rape and molest and they dont matter.
SHAME ON YOU ALL who support Mr. Hanway or Yellowbelly!!
February 2, 2010
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ceniiwohooneiht
February 3, 2010
8:17 a.m.Report inappropriate content
rezrider
Well said, as hii3oobee doesn't get it either or, at least he seems to think our Councils are doing good for the people.
Thank you for bringing that up.
February 3, 2010
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rezrider: your right there...i was kinda shocked when i read that stuff....i dunno what went through their minds about showing support for a child molester
February 10, 2010
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I am a native Arapaho who has moved to the city to make a better life for my family. What i'm about to say is going to make alot of people upset, but must be heard. 1st of all we the Arapaho people hired the Councilmen and woman, so were to blame. At the GC meetings we can't even agree amoungst ourselves. When in all actualities we are the final decision makers of our tribe. We all complain about how our Tribal monies are spent but we people don't complain when we take our "big" bonus checks and spend them. They were won on Lawsuits. This should not be about YB, He deserves a much more worse fate then poor Marchela RIP. What they are fighting for should not be dicarded. We need to look at the History of AIM, we have native people who have been wrongly accused. What about them? What about our Indian Child welfare Act? Our Federal Rights? Lets not be too Proud, Lets be SMART. We the Tribe can ask the Council to separate from this case and fight on our own. We can also ask for Compinsation Lawyers so they only get a percentage if we win, that way if we lose we will not lose a thing but at least we fought for our rights like our ancestors fought for us. I'm sorry if this makes anyone mad, But we the Arapaho People and the governing body of our own tribe need to Ask question and demand the anwers before we throw in the towel. We can use the exemption and get some help and things to do for our Children instead of drinking, taking drugs, and future abuse. It is what it is.
February 10, 2010
7:04 p.m.Report inappropriate content
yeah right....I would love to see the day that the tribes used money to help the tribal members.
"things to do for our children instead of drinking"...hmmm...we have about 10 gym's on the reservation...maybe we need another one or two...we have a short drive to thermop...a pool in lander and riverton...lander and riverton rec departments....boys and girls club...after school activities...hunting...fishing...snowmobiles...skiing..camping....bycicles...motorcycles...4-wheelers...
What else do you need for the kids to do?
Maybe we need some parents who are willing to step up and be parents instead of looking for somewhere to dump their kids off so they can go to the casino or bar or party. Maybe we need some parents to step up and set an example for their kids. Maybe we need some parents to step up and keep their kids on the right path. Maybe we need some adults on the rez that are in it for the rez and not just for themselves. Maybe we need councils that will bring jobs to the rez and not just handouts.
Bottom line is this "exemption" isn't going to improve things on the reservation one bit. I understand the reason for the battle, but it isn't going to improve anything out here.
February 11, 2010
12:41 a.m.Report inappropriate content
urbanIndn
You're tight!
It all starts at the top.